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suppressed the vote? obama suppressed the vote! you're a stitch, karl. and we continue to rub it in the faces about how wrong they were. >> obviously i think with the election results last night, do you want to offer an apology? >> we missed the north carolina senate race. >> yes you did. >> by the way, i didn't. i got that one right too. by wait, the most accurate pollster for the election, you will love that result. don't miss that. it's go time. >> president obama's reelection is a devastating blow. >> if obama wins, it's the end of the republican party. >> we are in a war. >> the republican party has to rethink strategy. >> we're going to wind by a landslide.
i plead guilty. >> we were wrong. frankly, misunderstood what was happening in the country. >> he doesn't get it. >> look, i'm not against people making money out of politics. i'm a volunteer, i don't take a dime. >> sit down and work out what's going to happen before this fiscal cliff and do a grand bargain. >> the president must be willing to reduce spending. >> the president's always said i have a mandate. it's generally untrue. >> we are greater than the sum of our individual ambitions a understand we remain more than a collection of red states and blue states. >> all right. now, let's discuss how incredibly dumb the republicans were. that's a fun topic isn't it? >> overall in this election, presidential and otherwise about $6 billion were spent. now, karl rove's group spent about $400 million of incredibly rich folks' money all wealth offed, which kind of awesome.
we're going to show you a compilation of karl rove clips before the election where he's all khaki and confident to but... but... >> the democratic model is let's just appeal to the new coalition of barbies browns, young people angry liberals. we are spending over $2 million in pennsylvania on television. we would not be spending it unless we sensed an opportunity there. >> north carolina, florida virginia? >> all three of those states, plus indiana are comfortably out of the obama column where they were in 2008 and into the republican column. i think romney gets 279 to 281. >> i think this is premature. >> do you believe that ohio has been settled. >> no, i don't. we've got to be careful about calling things when we have 991 votes separating the two candidates and a quarter of the vote to count. >> karl rove said we should figure out what the deal is. >> the doubt that karl rove has
attempted to place. >> you are comfortable with the call in ho i how? >> he's angry and pushing his finger in the air and looking sideways and looking mean and angry. >> that's awkward. >> they irradiated him as a rich guy who didn't care about ordinary people when he was on the side of ugly stuff about bain capitol and being a rich guy and i think he appropriately responded. >> this is mostly a tactical election. >> after they lose, it wasn't my fault, oh, romney, i tell you man, if i just had $800 million, maybe i could have done something with it. loser. i never get tired of those old prediction clips. he's little all the states, they're comfortably in his column. anyway it gets better. american crossroads spent $103 million of the $400 million that they collected on ads. what was the rate of return? according to the sunlight foundation 1%.
a 1% rate of return. that's the amount of money that they spent on ads that were actually effective led to actually it was nobody that they had supported won. it's just two guys that they were against had lost. 1% rate of return! i thought you guys were the businessmen! what happened, dawg? they got killed. even trump was rubbing it in. when this clown's making fun which you you're in bad shape: >> and touch should know a thing or two about wasting money he's been through about four bankruptcies. none of these guys know a damn thing about business or managing anything. here's the gop operative. he says:
>> now he didn't get nothing out of it. people like paula krugman are saying this guy gets a commission. he might have made a ton of money. karl rove goes on fox news and says me? oh no, no, no. >> mr. krugman wrote a piece where he claimed the reason i was involved in american crossroads is because i was lining my pact. i'm not against people making money out of politics. but he didn't call my office and say is mr. rove receiving any renewal reaction. i'm a volunteer. i've been doing this for three years. i don't take a dime. i contribute my travel and expenses into the cause. >> not $1 penny. >> not $1 penny directly or indirectly. >> so it's a lie. >> i won't say it's a lie. >> i wouldn't call it a lie. lie. that seems kind of strong. we'll get back to that in a
second. now, all that money spent and it wasn't as effective as this one ad that obama super pac ran and especially in ohio. this was the ad that they had run called stage. >> out of the blue one day, we were told to build a 30-foot stage, gathered the guys and we built that 30-foot stage not knowing what it was four. just days later all three shifts were told to assemble in the warehouse. a group of people walked out on that stage and told us that the plant is now closed and all of you are fired. mitt romney made over $100 million by shutting down our plant. turns out that when we built that stage, it was like building my own coffin. >> man that gets me every time. and if you remember that prediction i made about who would win this election, does
anybody remember that one? that's six weeks before the election, that was the one ad that i quoted and said this is devastating. it will cost them ohio. in fact, here was my reaction to that within my prediction of calling the race for obama. >> damn! god that's powerful! in ohio, they're blue collar, so many jobs were saved because of the bailout. they see an ad like that, remember the top republican polester devastating. >> in fact, it is reported that: >> interesting. they spent $400 million, rove's group alone let alone the koch brothers and adelson. this one alone knocks them out in ohio.
it scored through the roof in ohio. you know why? because it's true! it rings true! that's why it worked. now, speaking of building your own cough 15, that's exactly what sheldon adelson did with his political ambitions. he spent a tremendous amount of money here. he of course put in $60 million to the super pacs overall and $40 million to gingrich and romney. before i tell you how he built his own coffin, to be fair to adelson, he spent his money a little better than rove. his rate of return on investment was 40%. that's not on the money that he spent, but at least 40% of those candidates that he backed won. so much better than rove. you know who had over 98% on investment? planned parenthood. i love knows numbers. all right, now here is how
adelson built their own political coffin. you remember that money he gave to gingrich? do you know what he did with it? he devastate the romney in the primaries, making him unpopular in the first place ads about bain. he made a whole movie called king of bain. this is what adelson's money brought to the republican party. >> mitt romney, the king and c.e.o. of bain capitol his mission, to reap massive rewards for himself and his investors. >> mitt romney, them guys, theyy n't care w w i am. >> you going to be on the hit list. you know that. >> he took foreign seed money from latin america and began exploiting dozens of american businesses. >> they fire people, cut benefits. >> that was a gingrich ad, an ad adelson paid for. they built their own coffin. how's that for awesome?
they grossly misspent their money. a quote from "the new york times": >> oh, that's interesting. so you great businessman wound up paying so much more. there might be a reason behind this. kevin drum explains in mother jones: >> aha! there we have it. the guys who ran all these super packs, take a cut a commission, you lose the election, that's your problem. i wasted your billionaire money that's your problem. i got rich anyway. listen to the ohio democratic
chairman: >> well, there's something rich about that. on the other hand, of course, rove says this. >> well look, i won't say it's a lie, look. >> da da da. >> rove and his like are going to make money. it's awesome that the republicans ran a scam on themselves. all right now when we come back, we are going to talk about the departments. can they be real progressives? >> presidents always say i have a mandate i have a mandate. that's a foolish word and
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>> bill: the difference between how republicans and democrats react to elections are amazing. in 2004, president bush won with 286 electoral votes. he said this. >> i earned political capital in the campaign and intend to spend it. >> it's insanity to say that was a mandate. president obama looks like he's going to get 332 electoral votes, a much larger victory
than bush in 2004 and needless to say bush in 2000. >> on this issue of particularly the fiscal cliff, you know, one thing, you know, people, presidents always say i had a mandate, i had a mandate. that's a foolish word and it's generally untrue. >> i would call axelrod foolish because what kind of person after winning a big election comes in and says i don't have a mandate. i don't have a mandate. please, don't give me leverage, don't give me power i want to give it away. he's not foolish. the reason he's doing that, he wants to agree with the republicans. he wants to do a grand bargain where they give him lower corporate tax cuts and the list goes on and on, cut medicare, medicaid. he wants to pretend he doesn't have leverage. it's actually grotesque. vice president biden has an opposite message saying:
>> bill: nah that sounds really good and i got encouraged. they asked him to clarify and he said he was talking about the corporate rates. wait a minute, the democrats don't want to increase corporate taxes, listen to the president they want to cut them. >> obama: >> tonight i'm asking democrats and republican to say simplify the system, get rid of the loopholes, level the playing field and use the savings to lower the corporate tax rates for the first time in 25 years without adding to our deficit. >> bill: what the hell did we just vote for then? 50% of people said raise taxes. that was the 2011 state of the union. he put out a statement saying we are going to lower corporate taxes. i think it's a horrific idea especially when you just got a mandate to do the opposite. the other thing they want is sequestration.
they had agreed to a certain amount of spending cuts, $1.2 trillion in spending cuts. nobody is happy bit. it takes from domestic spending. and half from defense nobody wants that now. why? can you take more from the middle class? of course, all washington agrees from that, don't take half from the defense contractors they must be defended. we're going to do a grand bargain instead. if we did nothing the bush tax cuts would expire. that's awesome. unemployment benefits would expire. that's bad. payroll tax cuts would expire. alternative minimum that would would be expiring. the alternative minimum tax needs to get fixed by both sides. i don't see what the big thing is. in fact, right now according to the deal, the grand bargain it
would take $3 in spending cuts and only raise taxes by one dollar. they're looking at $4 trillion. let me do some quick math. at in the old thing they're trying to get rid of, they're trying to get rid of $2 trillion in spending cuts. in the other $3 trillion. they would take away like we were going to cult the defense contractors. they would get rid have that and take it all from the middle class and poor. i think this grand bargain is horrible! but no, no, president obama says we must protect the defense contractors. in the middle of a debate he said this. >> first of all this presser is not something i proposed, it's something congress has proposed, it will not happen. >> then boehner sensing blood in the water says these guys, i guess they're going to let me push them around again said this:
>> racing taxes on small business people is the wrong prescription given our economy. when you look at the president's proposal, half of the people who would get hit with higher taxes or file as individuals. >> is it on the table to talk about? because the campaign, 60% of the voters have said that they are ready to raise these taxes. they are ready to have the wealthy americans pitch in here. >> raising tax rates is unacceptable. >> bill: so here we are right back at it again encouraged by the weakness the departments immediately show, here comes boehner again saying unacceptal. what is unacceptable is how washington continues to screw over the american class. allen grayson was a former congressman and future congressman. great to have you here. talk to me about the grand bargain, as it's currently
structured, are you for or against it? >> entirely against it. there is a book called the shock doctrine. this is an article official shock, being introduced to justify policies you could not possibly justify on the merits. the polls clearly show that over three quarters of the population doesn't want any cuts in benefits in social security or cuts from benefits in medicare to reduce the deficit. what they want are cuts in the defense budget and end to the war in afghanistan to reduce the deficit. instead, what had we're seeing is this artificial creation right after we saw a real crisis, we saw a real crisis in hurricane sandy and that was a real crisis, an artificial crisis is being instituted to steal from us, the middle class and to steal from people in need. >> it's so refreshing to hear a democratic congressman say that. not only do you have the republicans against you it appears you've the administration against you. they can't wait to do this grand
bargain. how do progressive democrats fight back to make sure it doesn't happen? >> first make sure people understand there's a third choice. we can't have the republican party saying we want to strip your medicare and social security like they do in the ryan budget which passed the house, and then the democratic party say have half. that doesn't work. there's got to be a third alternative. somebody has to say this, that's just not the way we're going to do it, strip money from the people in need, throw grandma from the train we're just not going to do it. you're going to see this has become a litmus test on the democratic party in the same way that tax cuts for the rich, favoring tax cuts for the rich has become a litmus test for the republican party. anybody who votes for cuts in social security and medicare can expect a primary in 2014. >> unfortunately, you're going to get there after the lame duck session where they might cut
this grand bargain. how much of a fighting squad do you have with you? how many progressives can stand up and say, is that a large enough block to throw a road block into what's happening? >> yes but it shouldn't come to that. the democratic party should be united. that we are the party that created social security, the party that created medicare. we should stand behind it, protect it. it's amazingly popular among the voters. why should we shoot ourselves in the head by saying we're going to end these programs or cut back these programs when we created them and the voters love them. >> bill: it is such a good question unfortunately, there is no good answer except the fact that of course a lot of the democratic party establishment also takes money from corporations and the rich and powerful. no matter what the election says the rich and the powerful, including the defense contractors wind up winning anyway. we hope that you can be successful in your fight back on the policy issues. as always, thank you so much for joining us, congressman.
>> thank you very much. it's a pleasure. thank you. >> bill: when we come back, the good news is sometimes when republicans try to do something it totally fires in their face. the whole voter suppression thing turns out to be massively productive. >> we waited about three hours. >> too many black precincts were the ones where the lines were the longest. >> you have a right to vote, you have to take advantage of it. >> some people were literally dying to vote, but they voted. >> the republicans a lot of them say oh, boy we screwed this one up, we might be done. others say no way we're going to fight back. >> to win this war we must be committed to fighting president obama's agenda. we'll work with our
country. it backfired. a lot of people saw their vote was being suppressed and hell no, you're not going to prevent me from voting. they waited hours in line. in illinois, a woman was nine months pregnant. she started having contractions. five minutes apart. that's pretty significant. she goes in to vote anyway. she said to the press, i was just trying to read and breathe. read and breathe. trying to focus on the right way to vote on all the different issues. a gentleman in michigan literally died at the polls. his heart stopped working. collapsed. a guy nearby revived him brought his heart back. when he regained consciousness he asked did i vote? the only two things that matter are i love you to his wife, and that i finished what i came here to do. does it sound like they were interested in having their votes
suppressed? they were literally dying to vote. that is awesome. now how about the lines in virginia? a local report here from wavy on how long people were willing to endure. >> the wait was about three hours. >> second time he had to deal with this before he passed his vote in virginia beach. it's an area with a large african-american population, one analyst vivian paige suggestion may be the target of voter suppression. >> suppression of minority vote has been going on for a long time because primarily minorities tend to overwhelmingly vote for the democratic party. >> here is a percentage where people had to wait. whites on average only had to wait 9% of them had to wait on line where as african-americans had 22% of them had to wait.
latinos, 24% of them had to wait according to a survey done by aflcio. obviously, they targeted mines. it didn't work. >> patricia rose is from brown university founder and director of quantum a joins us as well. professor rose, is it me, or did people get motivated not just by voting for president obama or voting for democrats, but by the idea that they wouldn't be kept down? >> yeah, well, thanks for having me chenk. it's a really important story. not only were they motivated by obama, but the history of voter suppression is such a part of the collective memory. every generation knows that this is an on going tactic. african-americans, we don't live in blue states and red states.
we live in emergencies states. this was a crisis to really respond and make sure that their vote was counted. >> bill: so now axel, led me ask you about marco rubio. he said the conservative movement should have particular backing in minority communities and republicans must work hard. latinos wound up voting in a greater percentage. they were 9% of the heck resided in 2008, this time 10%. is it enough to see you've got me and condoleezza rice, come work with us. >> definitely thought. what we saw is a very informed and engaged electorate which obviously does not bode well with conservatives currently. when we see this fringe, these
tea party folks take over large sections of the party and really push those agenda witness it's not enough to put a face. it really goes down to really embracing those particular issues that matter with the community. we saw that latinos came in droves and reject the that notion. >> bill: are you encouraged that more and more latinos are voting? as far as the percentage of vote that president obama got among african-americans, it dipped, but among latinos up from 67% to 71%. so are you encouraged that more latinos are voting? >> definitely. it's a very engaged electorate. we saw it throughout the campaign. we saw it even when the media narrative was saying latinos are not enthusiastic in this election. we are saying are you crazy? we're really engaged. again, when we see the whole
primary process talking about deportation, i will veto the dream act having the author of s.b.1070 as your advisor that matters. that is a strong message and latinos came in droves to reject that notion. it's a strong message to congress, work with the precedent. work with the precedent to pass immigration reformal. no more obstruction we want it now. >> >> bill: rush limbaugh was perplexed, i don't get it, man we put all theseinoritiesn e stage a d it still seems like it's not enough. how do you respond to that? >> it's absurd. of course there was a poll factor that african-americans and latinos voted for obama because specifically of his policies and his embrace of a multi-racial democracy. there was an incredible push factor. romney and the entire republican party ran the most racist
campaign i've listened to in my adult life. all of the comments your other guests pointed out that they made and self deportation and all the insults against african-americans was enormous. of course in the mainstream media, what did they call them? dog whistles. this was heard like a megaphone. african-americans and latinos heard very loud and clear that the terms of belonging are actually totally about suppressione repression and exclusion. they didn't miss one sound. >> bill: finally let me ask you real quick was it counter productive, this republican railsist strategy. they thought they'd bring out white voters. did they cost themselves the election? >> absolutely, the road to the white house goes through has teen knows. it was clear now, it was clear before and the more that they continued to alien anyway the
electorate, the more they're going to do themselves a big disservice. >> professor rose, last word. >> there's no question it backfired this time. we should learn that they know how to run a long distance fight, and so we should be very cautious and thoughtful about what the next strategies are. today it's alec, tomorrow it might be bald run who knows. >> bill: you are right about that. they still have a tremendous amount of money. thank you both so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> bill: when we come back, i want to talk about that. you say they spent owl this money and president obama won anyway. don't be fooled. their money is credibly effective in other arenas. >> now california farmers are threatened by prop 37, a controversial proposition that would increase foot costs by billions of dollars. >> bill: i'll tell you how
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genetically modified products. a national poll showed 90-5 that people are in favor of labeling foods. 5% had no opinion. this is as big as it gets. in california when they proposed prop 37, that specific proposal at 66.9% support. gigantic, clearly going to pass, right? not exactly. the food huge companies came in and spent a ton of money. >> farmers faced a devastating drought causing higher food prices, now california farmers are faced by a complex food labeling proposition that would increase costs to consumers by billions of dollars. >> it's going to put the california farmer at a disadvantage with the other 49 states. the people that are least able
to pay are going to be forced to pay more. >> please join california formers in voting no on prop 37. >> bill: that was all nonsense. but it didn't have to be true. you bring in a farm he, say oh, my god it's going to cost so much more, they ran millions of dollars of ads and that huge lead for prop 37 goes away and it loses 53% to 47%. it lost, you see the lead that it had. how did it lose? look at the amount of money that was spent on both sides. in favor $8.7 million, against $45.6 million. monsanto and dupont spent $15 million opposing this and they someone it and it won. that's money in politics. in fact, let me show you a graph of where the support was and where it wound up being. you see this? in the beginning gigantic
support for the proposition and not sech against it. boom, they crisscross. you want to figure out where they started spending the money? of course, exactly where they started crisscrossing. they overwhelmed them with money. that's the problem with money in politics. finally, i do want to leave you with a good note, though, this is the horrible situation we're in in most of the political races in this country but the citizens of this country are standing up. in colorado, and in montana there was propositions on the ballot saying we want a constitutional amendment to end citizens united and to end the idea of corporate as a person. 75% in favor easily passed. you know why? because it's not just democrats and not just progressives or
liberals conservatives libber tanians, moderates we all hate the money in politics. we know that it corrupts our politician. the only people who refuse to acknowledge it are those same politicians in washington. but we've got to pass more of those initiatives, go to the local level state level and fight hard to make sure they can't buy our politics anymore. all right. now when we come back, some republicans finally admitting we're done for we can't win anymore. isn't that amazing? some knuckleheads of course are still holding out. >> we are in a war. we're in a war to save this nation and abandoning our post will
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got to go more right wing! so did they do that this time? remember what rush limbaugh said before the election. >> if obama lives it's the end of conservatism. no if obama wins, let me say what it's the end of, the republican party. >> bill: interesting. did he stick with that? >> i went to bed thinking we're outnumbered. i went to bed thinking all this discussion we'd had about this election being the election that will tell us whether or not we've lost the country. i went to bed last night thinking we've lost the country. i don't know how else you look at this. >> bill: that is huge. there's rush limbaugh saying it. we have lost the country. i've never seen him say that. in fact, bill o'reilly agrees. >> some folks are just staring today, but the truth is, the under the influence sa is a rapidly changing country and the
republican party has to rethink strategy. senator marco rubio would have been the best choice run with mitt romney in hindsight. >> bill: all right. we have a rethink our strategy. man, again this is not what republicans say after elections. they say go right go right. listen to john corner in charge of getting more republicans into the senate. he says: >> bill: we've all lost. it's amazing. there are holdouts, leading them chief ghoul himself mitch mcconnell: >> bill: no, no, loser you don't get to talk about failures when you were a gigantic
failure. you lost seats in your party. shh. let me bring in the rest of the crew here. anna, you know as i just said that i've never seen any of the conservatives say we're outnumbered, lost the country. this is something new isn't it? >> it is new. i think that it's great that they've realized that this conservative idealogy isn't winning anymore. we talked about republicans abscessed with redefining rape. these kind of topics are not popular with the american public. i don't know why they continually wanted to talk about it. we passed so many different ballot initiatives that are so liberal. for instance, two states right now have legalized marijuana for recreational use. three more legalized gay marriage. that's a big deal. >> bill: we're on the march.
i never thought we'd see that in the war on drugs. they're going to lose on that. and they lost on gay marriage. they're losing on everything, michael. what they do, what do rush limbaugh and bill o'reilly do, say go left? >> sean hannity today said that the republicans and he especially has now rethought his position on immigration. [ laughter ] >> bill: a coincidence i'm sure. >> i'm sure if mitt romney had won in overwhelming numbers he'd be saying the exact same thing. >> that's an instant buckle. they're going to get their taxes, all that stuff but lose on some issues, like latinos it's done. >> if you talk about latinos and blacks obama won 73% of the asian vote. that was history reliably
republican. that says a lot. >> bill: let me play you a clip. these are the guys who say no, we got them on the run. >> president obama's reelection is a did he have tating blow, but it's not a decisive defeat. we are in a war. we're in a war to save this nation. abandoning our post will condemn it to a future of managed supply. in 2014, there will be 23 liberals up for election. in 2016, a do deep bank of committed conservatives we must particular a nominee who can best articulate. i ask you to roll up your sleeves and continue the work for this great nation. >> bill: they just bring back the ghost of reagan, they're going to be in great shape. >> yeah, they're saying some of
the right things. the old folks down south have this term i never listened to, but like the emptying of the wagons the more notice they make. the ones hanging on are still screaming. you saw that in the stood ad. >> bill: that wagon thing i never heard that before. >> even the people saying oh, man, we're outnumbered, the country's changed they're saying it in the guise of those outnumbers us want handouts, they're lays, stupid, they took what they're giving us and we're the last hard workers smart people left approximate they're not saying they're wrong they're saying there are more wrong people than right. >> bill: all they care about is the money. they get their tax cuts, corporate loopholes, they're like fine, we'll give you the
latinos. >> think about the koch brothers. they started working with these conservative organizations and these conservative pacs, saying we care about in this case the corporate interests right so they highjacked these social conservatives, making them think they care about the issues when they don't. they support the libertarian organization. they don't care about these issues. >> they will throw those over board if they have to. when we come back, the elbow of the day. who had the best,
through the clutter. i'm energized to start my show everyday because it's fun, because i care about what's going on in this country, rather than some sort of tired banter it is actual water cooler talk it's the way people really talk about these issues. we've always considered ourselves a comedy show. let me just say i am not ready for my close up. i think it's important to laugh. i think it will be exciting, because you can't script three hours of radio. what is going on? i can't tell you how many times right wingers call the show and say, "i don't agree with anything you say, but your show is funny as hell." the only thing that can save america now, current tv. can i say that? >> bill: ford ham university has a ranking of the most accurate
polls before the election. let's look at who came in last first. look at this from the bottom, rasmussen, gallup, npr national journal and a.p. rasmussen and gallup, rasmussen conservative. gallup we said all along they were not right. who finished at number one? it was a tie. public policy polling and daily kos. this is going to macon serve active heads explode. they were the most accurate. ok? now, at least to the credit of some of the republicans, they have admitted what fools they were. >> well, i'm not going to say bluntly we were wrong but karl rove a whole group of is
frankly misunderstood what was happening in the country. >> they had a very good ground game and played offensive ball the entire time. >> i plead guilty. i goofed, made a mistake. i undercounted the minority turnout and women and young people. >> bill: oops! ok, at least they admit it. the guy who won't? nate scarborough who said nate silver is a joke. oh right be he got 50 out of 50 right. so here's nate silver on the daily show. >> what was surprising to me is that before the election, people who were not just predicting romney will eke it out in ohio, to come to that conclusion, you are a little out of touch. >> with reality. elbow of the day nate silver? there you go.